Forerunner 245 (FR245)

There are a significant numer of you GPSrumors followers intersted in the Forerunner 245 (FR245). This is weird because the Forerunner 235 was born in October 2015. This means the FR245 will be at least October 2017 and realistically 2018 since it took a lot of thunder from FR225 early. There are very few hardware or software reasons Garmin would touch this early, let alone on time. You can be fairly confident that the Forerunner 235 will live and be current until 2018 so if that’s your thing, buy this watch with confidence.

Garmin, if you’re reading this and know different, give me a shout out. Your loyal customers are at stake!

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Monthly Roundup – April 2017

Now a regular feature, here’s the round-up of recommendations so everything is in one place, and so we have a nice record of speculations updated for April 2017…

Right, we now have a fair few of the expected devices in the bag. Still missing are Polar v-Series updates which are still expected this summer, and the Garmin Edge 1010 which may well drop this month (or even this week if we’re lucky).

In alphabetical order of manufacturer.

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Fenix Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Fenix 2 Don’t buy – Fenix 3 is now cheap and Fenix 4 is due imminently
Garmin Fenix 3 Fenix 3 HR, Quatix 3, D2 Bravo, Tactix Bravo This has finally been superceded. Don’t panic though, the Fenix 5 adds very little, so if the Fenix 3 is cheap it’s a great watch to buy. Updates will stop within the next year though probably, but there isn’t a lot they need to add to this stable and mature watch.
Garmin Fenix 5 Brand new (January 2017), although pricey. This looks to be an updated Fenix 3 firmware so the usual “don’t buy Garmin until 6 months in” shouldn’t apply in theory, as most of the code is already tried and tested.
Garmin Fenix Chronos Brand New, buy if you wear solid gold underpants. This has been replaced by a Fenix 5 so it’s not without risk, especially given the cost. Garmin have confused the market here and nobody knows the future of the Chronos. In theory it’s a 5 underneath so safe, but I wouldn’t put my money on it at that price.
Garmin Forerunner 910XT Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Forerunner 920XT Has now been replaced, but this is a very capable and mature device (October 2014). If it’s cheap I’d certainly get one.
Garmin Forerunner 935 Has arrived at last (March 2017) so is fresh and good to buy. Uses Fenix 5 firmware so pretty safe from bugs.
Garmin Forerunner 25 This has been out a while (August 2015) but nothing obvious seems planned in the near future. August 2017 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 35 Buy – this is still fairly new (September 2016). September 2018 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 210 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Forerunner 220 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 230 Don’t Buy – this is still fairly new but is already on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement but optical HR rules the roost now so this probably won’t be replaced
Garmin Forerunner 225 Don’t buy. Garmin immediately replaced this with the 235 using their own sensor.
Garmin Forerunner 235 Buy – this is still fairly new(October 2015). October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement
Garmin Forerunner 610 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Forerunner 620 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 630 Don’t Buy – this is still fairly new but is already on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement. It may be discontinued due to the Forerunner 935 running Fenix hardware or we may see a Forerunner 645 this year it’s hard to say.
Garmin Forerunner 735XT Buy if cheap – this is fairly new (May 2016). If it’s cheaper than the FR935 then great, otherwise definitely go for the FR935. May 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement but with the Forerunner 935 in the mix it may be dropped as it was an interim solution using FR235 hardware before F5 hardware was finalised.
Garmin Epix Don’t buy. This experimental watch led to the Fenix 5X but firmware updates have all but stopped on this device despite numerous bugs
Garmin Epix 2 Abandoned, the Epix has been replaced by Fenix 5X
Garmin Vivoactive Already replaced by the Vivoactive HR and on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin. Still a very good device if you find it cheap, this Jan 2015 watch is still modern and capable
Garmin Vivoactive HR Buy, this is still quite new. February 2018 is the soonest we’d expect a replacement
Garmin Edge 20 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around June 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge30 is more likely to be 2018
Garmin Edge 25 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around June 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge35 is more likely to be 2018
Garmin Edge 200 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Edge 500 Don’t buy, this is very old (2009)
Garmin Edge 510 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 520 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around July 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge530 is more likely to be 2018 so don’t hold out for a new one this year.
Garmin Edge 800 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Edge 810 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 820 Buy, this is quite new. July 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement although 2019 more likely
Garmin Edge 1000 Buy if you get a really good deal, this is overdue for replacement and very, very old for a current device (2014!). Expect the replacement sometime this summer, probably April 2017.
Garmin Edge 1010 Coming soon…Sea Otter? I don’t even know any more. It’ll have to be this year though and we’re expecting it in April.
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent. This watch is very, very old for a current watch (2014!). The M400 was just updated and that was launched near the v800.
Polar v800.next Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! H7i Sensor has been leaked which is likely to be packaged with this watch
Polar M200 Buy, this is just released (Oct 2016)
Polar m400 Finally updated. This is a very old watch for a current model (2014) but is very cheap and still works well.
Polar m430 Launched April 2017 and based on M400 so shouldn’t be buggy, a definite safe buy
Polar M600 Buy, this is new (Aug 2016) and was updated with new Androidwear in 2017 so definitely supported well
Polar M450 Replaced with….identical hardware and a new firmware. Normally I’d say buy if cheap, but Polar abandoned this for no reason so buyer beware.
Polar M460 Launched April 2017 this is M450 hardware with new firmware. Given the treatment of M450 owners I’d say be careful buying this. Yup, Amber warning for a “brand new” device. That’s a first for me.
Polar v650 Wait, this is very old for a current model and overdue for replacement (Jan 2014)
Polar v650.next overdue for replacement, expected summer 2017
Suunto Ambit Don’t buy this is very old (2012)
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+, this is very old (2013)
Suunto Ambit 3 Don’t’ buy, this is very old (2014)
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Buy, just released (Jun 2016). Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Sport Buy, just released. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Trainer Announcing shortly, just leaked. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?
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More Polar goodness

Thanks to Toni for the link to Polar’s latest teaser. It seems we have an M460 inbound as well. This would be a cycling computer to replace the current M450. This is slightly odd in that the v800 and v650 came first originally, but I’m willing to bet the lower end devices have sold in huge volumes and so are receiving more love this refresh cycle. I’d still expect a v660 and a v830 (v850, v900, who knows!) this year though so stay tuned.

Polar Global on Twitter

Oooh, and Here for some specs including Strava Live and an LED on the front.

And here it is (the black one on the left)

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Polar(s) incoming!

There is currently no FCC filing for this, but there does seem to be evidence that Polar will launch the M430 on Thursday. This is significant since the M400 and V800 both launched very close together, so this gives hope that the v830 is just around the corner. Yes, I said v830 with no evidence, why not, the name M430 seems completely arbitrary to me so I’ve matched it 🙂

As ever appelmoessite is on the story. No idea who the source is there but it seems a good one.
https://appelmoessite.wordpress.com/2017/04/04/stay-tuned-polars-move/

drexpertphd commented on this site with far more info including a lineup picture (screenshot below)
http://www.montre-cardio-gps.fr/la-polar-m430-fuite-vous-ne-la-connaissez-pas/

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Forerunner 935 released

DC Rainmaker even has an in depth review up. Yes, many words are shared with the Fenix 5 review. It’s basically the same watch 🙂

garmin-forerunner-935-depth-review

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Forerunner 935 THIS WEEK!

Appelmoessite has a scan of Triathlon magazine with an advert for the Forerunner 935. This lines up with our expected release this week.
DCRainmaker very tactfully explains in his live webcast how embargos work and that sometimes it’s hard to line up print dates. In the case of magazines, adverts are placed months in advance and sometimes the magazine print date is a little early and the magazine goes to subscribers before the official date it goes on shelves at news stands. Obviously he didn’t confirm the 935, but it seems clear at this point the watch is real and will be released before the end of the month (aka next week).

If you’re looking at a Fenix 5, Forerunner 920XT or Forerunner 735XT it’s probably worth waiting one more week just to see.

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Forerunner 935

Note to self, check FCC before posting.

The Forerunner 935 will indeed be a round device (silly Garmin, now we have no nice square screens!). https://fccid.io/IPH-03191

This means that Appelmoessite probably does have real photos at elemnt-bolt-garmin-fr935-video after all. To me it looks identical to the FR235 so I’ve held off re-posting that particular rumour. I guess in future I ought to post everything I spot – this is a rumour site after all!

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Garmin Edge 1010

So, we all know this is WAY overdue. It must be coming soon.

What’s taking so long though, all they need do is slim it down and pump the CPU a bit?

Perhaps a camera will be added. It’s certainly trendy right now to add camera controls, and Garmin have the excelent Virb Ultra 30 so they certainly have the technology. At the very least there will be Virb controls in the computer.

Alternatively, as we’ve seen with the Fenix 5 Garmin may be adding Bluetooth sensor support. This will be a PITA for them since cycle sensors are all over the place in BTLE land and very difficult to support well. We’ve seen continuous issues on other BTLE cycle computers, and Garmin can’t get this wrong or users will say they are trying to destroy Bluetooth.

Or maybe they’ve just been napping? Comment below what you’d like to see in a new flagship (aka big) Edge device.

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Monthly Roundup – March 2017

Now a regular feature, here’s the round-up of recommendations so everything is in one place, and so we have a nice record of speculations updated for February 2017…

OK, so I dropped the ball in January with this one, and February is late. I’m sorry! To be fair, with all the CES kerfuffle it was worth skipping one anyway, and now we’ve had to rethink what’s on the way and when.

In alphabetical order of manufacturer.

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Fenix Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Fenix 2 Don’t buy – Fenix 3 is now cheap and Fenix 4 is due imminently
Garmin Fenix 3 Fenix 3 HR, Quatix 3, D2 Bravo, Tactix Bravo This has finally been superceded. Don’t panic though, the Fenix 5 adds very little, so if the Fenix 3 is cheap it’s a great watch to buy. Updates will stop within the next year though probably, but there isn’t a lot they need to add to this stable and mature watch.
Garmin Fenix 5 Brand new, although pricey. This looks to be an updated Fenix 3 firmware so the usual “don’t buy Garmin until 6 months in” shouldn’t apply in theory, as most of the code is already tried and tested.
Garmin Fenix Chronos Brand New, buy if you wear solid gold underpants. This has been replaced by a Fenix 5 so it’s not without risk, especially given the cost. Garmin have confused the market here and nobody knows the future of the Chronos. In theory it’s a 5 underneath so safe, but I wouldn’t put my money on it at that price.
Garmin Forerunner 910XT Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Forerunner 920XT Replacement imminent but this is a very capable and mature device
Garmin Forerunner 930XT/935XT Imminent. Yes, still imminent despite CES coming and going!
Garmin Forerunner 25 This has been out a while but nothing obvious seems planned in the near future. August 2017 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 35 Buy – this is still fairly new. September 2018 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 210 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Forerunner 220 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 230 Buy – this is still fairly new. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement
Garmin Forerunner 225 Don’t buy. Garmin immediately replaced this with the 235 using their own sensor.
Garmin Forerunner 235 Buy – this is still fairly new. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement
Garmin Forerunner 610 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Forerunner 620 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 630 Buy – this is still fairly new. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement
Garmin Forerunner 735XT Buy – this is brand new and seems to be running Fenix code so hopefully isn’t buggy. May 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement.
Garmin Epix Don’t buy. This experimental watch led to the Fenix 5X but firmware updates have all but stopped on this device despite numerous bugs
Garmin Epix 2 Abandoned, the Epix has been replaced by Fenix 5X
Garmin Vivoactive Already replaced by the Vivoactive HR. Still a very good device if you find it cheap, this Jan 2015 watch is still modern and capable
Garmin Vivoactive HR Buy, this is still quite new. February 2018 is the soonest we’d expect a replacement
Garmin Edge 20 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around June 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge30 is more likely to be 2018
Garmin Edge 25 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around June 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge35 is more likely to be 2018
Garmin Edge 200 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Edge 500 Don’t buy, this is very old (2009)
Garmin Edge 510 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 520 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around July 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge530 is more likely to be 2018
Garmin Edge 800 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Edge 810 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 820 Buy, just released. July 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement although 2019 more likely
Garmin Edge 1000 Buy if you get a good deal, this is overdue for replacement and very, very old for a current device (2014!). Expect the replacement sometime this summer
Garmin Edge 1010 Coming soon…Sea Otter? I don’t even know any more. It’ll have to be this year though.
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent. This watch is very, very old for a current watch (2014!)
Polar v800.next Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! H7i Sensor has been leaked which is likely to be packaged with this watch
Polar M200 Buy, this is just released (Oct 2016)
Polar m400 Wait – update is probably imminent. This is a very old watch for a current model (2014)
Polar m400.next Possibly replaced by M600 so may not be updated. This also may be replaced by an M200 to differentiate with M600
Polar M600 Buy, this is brand new (Aug 2016)
Polar M450 Buy, polar seem to be on a three year cycle for these so June 2018 is when we expect replacement (released Jun 2015)
Polar v650 Wait, this is very old for a current model and overdue for replacement (Jan 2014)
Polar v650.next overdue for replacement, expected summer 2017
Suunto Ambit Don’t buy this is very old (2012)
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+, this is very old (2013)
Suunto Ambit 3 Don’t’ buy, this is very old (2014)
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Buy, just released (Jun 2016). Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Sport Buy, just released. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Trainer Announcing shortly, just leaked. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?
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Forerunner 935XT

SO I’ve been quite quiet on the subject of 935XT despite various rumours on the net (well appelmoessite.wordpress.com at least).

I’m not saying I don’t believe the rumour. I’m torn. It’s just that it looks exactly like the other available Garmin watches and nothing like a 920XT. Too easy to fake and too little evidence that the 920XT team want to give up their long standing square screen model with front buttons (just like an Edge computer) for something exactly like every other watch they make.

Why would they? Who would be the market for a round watch that’s between the 735 and the Fenix 5? I’d buy another square one to complement my Fenix 5 just like I have the Fenix 3 and 920 combo but let’s face it they would be better off dropping the 9xx range than making a shiny 735.

I’m probably wrong, but that doesn’t make Garmin right for releasing it!

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