Polar Vantage M and Vantage V UPDATED

*UPDATE* – it looks like Polar have registered polarvantage.com so this will likely be the teaser site like we saw with polarv800.com previously. For early information and teasers, check there regularly. Note that Polar are in Finland so updates are likely to be timed accordingly. That said, they do use agencies for these teaser sites which may be based elsewhere.

Well, it looks like we finally have a name. Or rather two names. Thanks to Cardiojunkie for the tip. Also reading comments on TFK it would seem that these are round watches with one being higher end than the other.

Posted by Pete Dean to TFK:

Polar Vantage – full colour screens
Vantage m
Not touch screen £249 black or white

Vantage v
Gorilla glass
Touch screen
Black orange or white
£439 with out strap £479 with strap

New polar app – similar to Garmin app

Available Late September

And here are the trademarks recently registered:

Posted in Cycling, Multisport, Polar, Running, Swimming

Monthly Suunto Roundup – July 2018

I’ve split this down again as it was getting unweildy and I think there is some more value I can add given some space. Feedback on the new formats welcome. Also, this way Garmin isn’t at the top all the time so it’s a little more fair to the others. In case nobody noticed the old style was always alphabetical order for fairness.

Suunto Update
Suunto

Suunto Update

Suunto have just released the 9 and we already had the fitness 3. We can therefore confidently predict at least a 5 and 7 to be released over the coming year. With this in mind I’d be wary of any of the Spartan models. They are good devices though, and are currently current and a reasonable alternative to the Garmin monopoly. I must also appologise as these have been marked as red recently rather than orange – not on purpose. The red I use is called “orangered” and therefore easy mistake to make. Spartan is definitely still a “buy if low cost” type thing or if you need a watch now. Just know that there are new models coming very soon.
Elsewhere on the web, here are some recent Suunto stories:
TFK Reviews the Suunto 9
DCR Reviews the Suunto 9

Suunto

Range Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
High End Suunto Ambit Don’t buy this is very old (2012)
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+, this is very old (2013)
Suunto Ambit 3 Don’t’ buy, this is very old (2014)
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Released Jun 2016. Suunto have created numerous models based on the same hardware (WAY too many to understand). There is likely a v2 in the works for this year to supercede the whole range.
Suunto >Spartan Ultra 2 Spartan is now replaced by the Suunto X series. The Ultra is replaced by the 9
Suunto >Suunto 9 Just released in June 2018 so don’t expect a replacement before 2020
Midrange Suunto Spartan Sport, HR, Baro Released after the Ultra but based on the same hardware. Suunto have created numerous models based on the same hardware (WAY too many to understand). There is likely a v2 in the works for this year to supercede the whole range.
Suunto Spartan Sport, HR, Baro V2 Moving to the Suunto 7
Suunto Suunto 7 Due later this year
Budget Suunto Spartan Trainer Seemingly based on different hardware than the Spartan series, this may have a different refresh cycle
Suunto Spartan Trainer 2 Probably not going to happen
Suunto Suunto 5 Coming in 2019
Fitness Suunto Suunto 3 Released 2018. Not a GPS watch so won’t be covered here
Randoms Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?
Posted in Cycling, Multisport, Running, Suunto, Swimming

Monthly Polar Roundup – July 2018

I’ve split these updates down as it was getting unweildy and I think there is some more value I can add given some space. Feedback on the new formats welcome. Also, this way Garmin isn’t at the top all the time so it’s a little more fair to the others. In case nobody noticed the old style was always alphabetical order for fairness.

Polar Update
Polar Watches
Polar Bike Computers

Polar Update

Polar are behind when it comes to high end devices. Really behind. I’d list the features missing, but it’s easier just to say they have a long way to go to catch up. Replacements for the V800 and V650 have been overdue for a very long time. In their defence though, Polar have kept updating both devices and thier platform is a great one. As a general rule they also seem to be more concerned with creating training tools than adding features, which is nice up to a point.

So, what are we expecting and when? Polar confirmed last year that there would be something mid-2018, and here we are mid-2018. With all of the new device announcements going on over the next few weeks I’d expect Polar to at least announce and release pictures. Polar have always been quite good at keeping secrets compared to other companies who “leak” things before release. As such we don’t usually get a lot of information. There’s nothing on FCC or image search that I could find sadly, and we don’t even know what the device will be called yet!
For what it’s worth, my money is on 6th July…

Polar Watches

Range Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
High End Polar RCX 5 Released Mar 2011 this watch is very out of date
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent. This watch is very, very old for a current watch (2014!). The M400 was just updated and that was launched near the v800. This watch is now so far behind the curve and so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar v800.next v850 LONG Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! This watch is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Midrange Polar RCX3 Released Mar 2012 this watch is very out of date
Polar RC3 GPS Released Mar 2012 this watch is very out of date
Polar m400 Finally updated. This is a very old watch for a current model (2014) but is very cheap and still works well.
Polar m430 Launched April 2017 and based on M400 so shouldn’t be buggy, a definite safe buy
Budget Polar M200 Buy, this was released Oct 2016 so we wouldn’t expect a replacement until late 2019 given the relatively slow update cycle at Polar
Smartwatch Polar M600 Buy, this is new (Aug 2016) and was updated with new Androidwear in 2017 so definitely supported well

Polar Bike Computers

Range Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
High End Polar v650 Wait, this is very old for a current model and overdue for replacement (Jan 2014). This device is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar v650.next Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! This device is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Midrange Polar M450 Replaced with….identical hardware and a new firmware. Normally I’d say buy if cheap, but Polar abandoned this for no reason so buyer beware.
Polar M460 Launched April 2017 this is M450 hardware with new firmware. Given the treatment of M450 owners I’d say be careful buying this. Yup, Amber warning for a “brand new” device. That’s a first for me.
Posted in Cycling, Multisport, Polar, Running, Swimming

Monthly Roundup – June 2018

Here’s the round-up of recommendations so everything is in one place, and so we have a nice record of speculations updated for June 2018

A bunch of stuff finally arrived, and a bunch of stuff is still MIA.

Garmin Watches
Garmin Bike Computers
Polar Watches
Polar Bike Computers
Suunto
TomTom
Wahoo

In alphabetical order of manufacturer.

Garmin

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Fenix Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Fenix 2 Don’t buy. This is pretty old and is quite dated from a technology standpoint. The new generation Garmin range really is a lot better.
Garmin Fenix 3 Fenix 3 HR, Quatix 3, D2 Bravo, Tactix Bravo This has been superseded. I’ve downgraded to red because updates and features are gradually disappearing. Let’s be clear though, this is still a very capable watch and I would have no problem buying and using one for the right price on the understanding that it is what it is and won’t get new features.
Garmin Fenix 5, 5s, 5X, Quatix 5, D2 Charlie, Tactix Charlie Released in January 2017 so this watch is not dated and will be very well supported throughout the next year (2018) at least. I’ve put back to green because of the release of Fenix 5 Plus which seems similar enough that we can expect another year of reasonable support on the 5.
Garmin Fenix 5 Plus Finally arrived in June 2018 including the Ti model(s) we predicted after the D2 Charlie arrived. These are SO expensive though 🙁
Garmin Fenix 6 with the Fenix 5 Plus in June 2018 don’t expect to see the Fenix 6 until January 2020
Garmin Fenix Chronos Buy if you wear solid gold underpants can’t afford the Fenix 5 Plus. Suddenly the Chronos looks cheap, but sadly also a little dated. Downgraded to red since the Fenix 5 Plus arrived, there is little reason to buy the Chronos now. It’s possible there will be a Chronos 2 later this year or Jan 2019 as an early look at Fenix 6 technology. Expect that to be £1500 though…
Garmin Forerunner 910XT Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Forerunner 920XT Has now been replaced, but this is a very capable and mature device (October 2014). If it’s cheap I’d certainly get one on the understanding that no new features will be coming.
Garmin Forerunner 935 Has arrived at last (March 2017) so is fresh and good to buy. Uses Fenix 5 firmware so pretty safe from bugs. no current rumours of a replacement, although a Fenix 5 plus equivalent may appear
Garmin Forerunner 935 Plus Personally I don’t see this happening. The 920XT didn’t get an update when the Fenix 3 HR appeared…
Garmin Forerunner 945 Expected early 2020
Garmin Forerunner 25 This has been out a while (August 2015) and has been sorta replaced with the FR30. Still cheap and capable though
Garmin Forerunner 30 released September 2017
Garmin Forerunner 35 Buy – this is still fairly new (September 2016). September 2018 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 210 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Forerunner 220 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 230 Don’t Buy – This range has ended with OHR models taking over everywhere
Garmin Forerunner 225 Don’t buy. Garmin immediately replaced this with the 235 using their own sensor.
Garmin Forerunner 235 Wait. Garmin have released the 645 which kinda takes over this range. The 235 is fairly dated compared to newer watches but still fits the bill as a great running watch.
Garmin Forerunner 245 Missing in action, should have launched alongside the Forerunner 645. Garmin have released the 645 which kinda takes over this range and didn’t include a 245 yet which may not even fit into the range given the lower cost of the 645
Garmin Forerunner 610 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Forerunner 620 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 630 Don’t Buy – this is still fairly new but is already on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin. The 645 is clearly the future here and is a much more capable device
Garmin Forerunner 645/645 Music Launched January 2018, earliest replacement likely January 2020
Garmin Forerunner 655 Expect in around January 2020. The “Music” suffix will disapear since music will be standard in the next model
Garmin Forerunner 735XT If it’s cheaper than the FR935 then great, otherwise definitely go for the FR935. May 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement but with the Forerunner 935 in the mix it may be dropped as it was an interim solution using FR235 hardware before F5 hardware was finalised.
Garmin Forerunner 745XT I just can’t imagine why this would exist so have marked it Grey as “not happening”. Maybe I’m wrong.
Garmin Epix Don’t buy. This experimental watch led to the Fenix 5X but firmware updates have all but stopped on this device despite numerous bugs
Garmin Epix 2 Abandoned, the Epix has been replaced by Fenix 5X
Garmin Vivoactive Replaced by the Vivoactive HR and on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin.
Garmin Vivoactive HR Don’t buy unless you get a good deal. This is still quite new but has been superceded by the Vivoactive 3 which seems to add a lot of things including wrist based payment. Not quite ready for a red grade yet, this is still a great watch
Garmin Vivoactive 3/Music Buy, this is just released in August 2017 so August 2019 is the probable replacement.
Garmin Vivoactive 4 Late 2019 is the earliest we expect this model. Expect the Music tag to disapear as music will be standard

Garmin Bike Computers

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Edge 20 While this is current, it’s due for replacement in 2018. It’s possible this replacement will be pushed back though, as there’s very little to change on these devices. With the Edge 130 this range may disapear altogether, or just hang around as an ultra low cost alternative
Garmin Edge 25 While this is current, it’s due for replacement in 2018. It’s possible this replacement will be pushed back though, as there’s very little to change on these devices. With the Edge 130 this range may disapear altogether, or just hang around as an ultra low cost alternative
Garmin Edge 200 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Edge 130 Due to be announced before 3/5/2018, already on the FCC Site
Garmin Edge 140 Not before May 2020, probably May 2021
Garmin Edge 500 Don’t buy, this is very old (2009)
Garmin Edge 510 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 520 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around Jan 2019. Kinda sorta replaced by the plus model
Garmin Edge 520 Plus Buy, this is current, although may be replaced in 2019. Too similar to the old 520 to be a safe bet
Garmin Edge 530 Summer 2019, expect a single model with maps like the 520 plus
Garmin Edge 800 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Edge 810 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 820 Buy, this is quite new. July 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement although 2019 more likely
Garmin Edge 830 Summer 2019
Garmin Edge 1000 Buy if you get a really good deal, this was overdue for replacement and very, very old for a current device (2014!) even when replaced in August 2017. This is cheap everywhere now, and still a good device but only a little cheaper than the Edge 1030.
Garmin Edge 1030 Finally arrived in August 2017. Likely replacement…2020! Although I can imagine a 2019 update so we’ll wait and see
Garmin Edge 1040 Keep calm and wait until 2020!

Polar Watches

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Polar RCX 5 Released Mar 2011 this watch is very out of date
Polar RCX3 Released Mar 2012 this watch is very out of date
Polar RC3 GPS Released Mar 2012 this watch is very out of date
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent. This watch is very, very old for a current watch (2014!). The M400 was just updated and that was launched near the v800. This watch is now so far behind the curve and so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar v800.next v850 LONG Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! This watch is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar M200 Buy, this was released Oct 2016 so we wouldn’t expect a replacement until late 2019 given the relatively slow update cycle at Polar
Polar m400 Finally updated. This is a very old watch for a current model (2014) but is very cheap and still works well.
Polar m430 Launched April 2017 and based on M400 so shouldn’t be buggy, a definite safe buy
Polar M600 Buy, this is new (Aug 2016) and was updated with new Androidwear in 2017 so definitely supported well

Polar Bike Computers

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Polar M450 Replaced with….identical hardware and a new firmware. Normally I’d say buy if cheap, but Polar abandoned this for no reason so buyer beware.
Polar M460 Launched April 2017 this is M450 hardware with new firmware. Given the treatment of M450 owners I’d say be careful buying this. Yup, Amber warning for a “brand new” device. That’s a first for me.
Polar v650 Wait, this is very old for a current model and overdue for replacement (Jan 2014). This device is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar v650.next Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! This device is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.

Suunto

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Suunto Ambit Don’t buy this is very old (2012)
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+, this is very old (2013)
Suunto Ambit 3 Don’t’ buy, this is very old (2014)
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Released Jun 2016. Suunto have created numerous models based on the same hardware (WAY too many to understand). There is likely a v2 in the works for this year to supercede the whole range.
Suunto >Spartan Ultra 2 Spartan is now replaced by the Suunto X series. The Ultra is replaced by the 9
Suunto >Suunto 9 Just released in June 2018 so don’t expect a replacement before 2020
Suunto Spartan Sport, HR, Baro Released after the Ultra but based on the same hardware. Suunto have created numerous models based on the same hardware (WAY too many to understand). There is likely a v2 in the works for this year to supercede the whole range.
Suunto Spartan Sport, HR, Baro V2 Moving to the Suunto 7
Suunto Suunto 7 Due later this year
Suunto Spartan Trainer Seemingly based on different hardware than the Spartan series, this may have a different refresh cycle
Suunto Spartan Trainer 2 Probably not going to happen
Suunto Suunto 5 Coming in 2019
Suunto Suunto 3 Released 2018. Not a GPS watch so won’t be covered here
Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?

TomTom

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
TomTom Multisport Launched April 2013, available July 2013 older watch probably best not to buy. Replaced by newer runner models
TomTom Multisport Cardio Launched April 2014, available April 2014 older watch probably best not to buy. Replaced by newer runner models
TomTom Runner Launched April 2013, available July 2013 older watch probably best not to buy. Superceded
TomTom Runner Cardio Launched April 2014, available April 2014 older watch probably best not to buy. Superceded
TomTom Spark (Runner 2) TomTom have formally announced they are exiting the US market DO NOT BUY
TomTom Spark 3/Runner 3 TomTom have formally announced they are exiting the US market DO NOT BUY

Wahoo

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Wahoo ELEMNT Launched September 2015 and available March 2016 it’s possible we’ll see a replacement in 2018 but looking at the way Wahoo commit to their products 2019 seems more likely. Also, Wahoo would be likely to support this after a new device arrives so less risky than other manufacturers. The amber rating is purely based on not wanting to buy just before a release of a replacement.
Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt Launched and available March 2017 this is a new device and earliest expected replacement would be 2019.
Wahoo ELEMNT Mini Launched and available August 2017 this is a new device and earliest expected replacement would be 2019.
Wahoo ELEMNT Rival https://fccid.io/PADWF119 shows this new device due by the end of May, possibly earlier. This will be Wahoo’s first GPS based fitness watch and is likely to be good if their other products are anything to go by. This is delayed but should still be coming!
Posted in Cycling, Garmin, Multisport, Polar, Running, Suunto, Wahoo

Wahoo Rival

Sorry for the short post I don’t have access to a computer today. The FCC confidentiality period is now over and Wahoo Rival pics are available. Fingers crossed we’ll see some news today when the USA wakes up 🙂

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Warning! Spring sales are here!

Spring sales YAY! But…a warning you say?

Yes, there is a reason these sales happen and it’s not to get you the latest tech at low low prices. Before you venture into the sale, check out the May Monthly Roundup to see whether that device you covet is about to be replaced with a newer shinier model.

Don’t panic though, these things won’t expire in June just because they’ve been replaced. This site is all about minimising disappointment, so as long as you buy with the knowledge you’re getting fully functional devices which may be replaced soon GO FOR IT. They will be a great training aide for years to come.

More importantly, the new devices are unlikely to bring the features you would actually want. Sport specific units, for instance. How about settings which synchronise without appearing to randomly change things on the watch? I’m sure the next generation will be able to roast and brew fresh coffee mid-marathon, but somehow running a 5k and riding a 100 miler is something just beyond their ken.

Now where was I…oh yes, SALES ARE HERE 🙂

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GDPR and your privacy

You’ll see a lot of this this month as the EU General Data Protection Regulation becomes law. I want to be really clear here though, I don’t need or want to monetise this site. I don’t knowingly display ads, unless you count recommending a device. I certainly don’t get any money or benefit from this site – I get a lot of hits and it still costs pennies to run. I don’t collect or use your personal information, although occasionally I may email you if you have an interesting comment. That’s never happenned, but if something needs discussing I might 🙂

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Monthly Roundup – May 2018

Here’s the round-up of recommendations so everything is in one place, and so we have a nice record of speculations updated for April 2018

Exciting things this month are the imminent arrival of a Wahoo GPS watch and a new Garmin Edge 130 low end bike computer. Check this post through the month as more rumours may arrive which I’ll add in as they appear.

Garmin Watches
Garmin Bike Computers
Polar Watches
Polar Bike Computers
Suunto
TomTom
Wahoo

In alphabetical order of manufacturer.

Garmin

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Fenix Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Fenix 2 Don’t buy. This is pretty old and is quite dated from a technology standpoint. The new generation Garmin range really is a lot better.
Garmin Fenix 3 Fenix 3 HR, Quatix 3, D2 Bravo, Tactix Bravo This has been superseded. I’ve downgraded to red because updates and features are gradually disappearing. Let’s be clear though, this is still a very capable watch and I would have no problem buying and using one for the right price on the understanding that it is what it is and won’t get new features.
Garmin Fenix 5, 5s, 5X, Quatix 5, D2 Charlie, Tactix Charlie Released in January 2017 so this watch is not dated and will be very well supported throughout the next year (2018) at least. I’ve downgraded to amber purely because of speculation of a Fenix 5 Plus. Whether or not there is a “Plus”, there will be new Fenix models in 2018, including a Titanium one (Tactix Charlie released). This is unlikely to be a complete new device though, so much like when the Fenix 3 went to Fenix 3 HR there will be minor incremental changes such as Garmin Pay and music.
Garmin Fenix 5 Plus Overdue, possibly we’ll go straight to Fenix 6 in January 2019 instead? I’d still not be surprised to see at least new colours this summer
Garmin Fenix Chronos Buy if you wear solid gold underpants. As with the Fenix 5 this may be replaced soon with minor changes, although as a premium model this may not be affected.
Garmin Forerunner 910XT Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Forerunner 920XT Has now been replaced, but this is a very capable and mature device (October 2014). If it’s cheap I’d certainly get one on the understanding that no new features will be coming.
Garmin Forerunner 935 Has arrived at last (March 2017) so is fresh and good to buy. Uses Fenix 5 firmware so pretty safe from bugs. no current rumours of a replacement, although a Fenix 5 plus equivalent may appear
Garmin Forerunner 25 This has been out a while (August 2015) and has been sorta replaced with the FR30. Still cheap and capable though
Garmin Forerunner 30 released September 2017
Garmin Forerunner 35 Buy – this is still fairly new (September 2016). September 2018 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 210 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Forerunner 220 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 230 Don’t Buy – this is still fairly new but is already on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement but optical HR rules the roost now so this probably won’t be replaced
Garmin Forerunner 225 Don’t buy. Garmin immediately replaced this with the 235 using their own sensor.
Garmin Forerunner 235 Wait. Garmin have released the 645 which kinda takes over this range. The 235 is fairly dated compared to newer watches but still fits the bill as a great running watch.
Garmin Forerunner 245 Missing in action, should have launched alongside the Forerunner 645. Garmin have released the 645 which kinda takes over this range and didn’t include a 245 yet which may not even fit into the range given the lower cost of the 645
Garmin Forerunner 610 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Forerunner 620 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 630 Don’t Buy – this is still fairly new but is already on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin. The 645 is clearly the future here and is a much more capable device
Garmin Forerunner 645/645 Music Launched January 2018, earliest replacement likely January 2020
Garmin Forerunner 735XT Buy if very cheap – this is fairly new (May 2016). If it’s cheaper than the FR935 then great, otherwise definitely go for the FR935. May 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement but with the Forerunner 935 in the mix it may be dropped as it was an interim solution using FR235 hardware before F5 hardware was finalised.
Garmin Epix Don’t buy. This experimental watch led to the Fenix 5X but firmware updates have all but stopped on this device despite numerous bugs
Garmin Epix 2 Abandoned, the Epix has been replaced by Fenix 5X
Garmin Vivoactive Replaced by the Vivoactive HR and on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin.
Garmin Vivoactive HR Don’t buy unless you get a good deal. This is still quite new but has been superceded by the Vivoactive 3 which seems to add a lot of things including wrist based payment. Not quite ready for a red grade yet, this is still a great watch
Garmin Vivoactive 3 Buy, this is just released in August 2017 so August 2019 is the probable replacement.

Garmin Bike Computers

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Edge 20 While this is current, it’s due for replacement in 2018. It’s possible this replacement will be puched back though, as there’s very little to change on these devices
Garmin Edge 25 While this is current, it’s due for replacement in 2018. It’s possible this replacement will be puched back though, as there’s very little to change on these devices
Garmin Edge 200 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Edge 130 Due to be announced before 3/5/2018, already on the FCC Site
Garmin Edge 140 Not before May 2020, probably May 2021
Garmin Edge 500 Don’t buy, this is very old (2009)
Garmin Edge 510 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 520 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around July 2018.
Garmin Edge 800 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Edge 810 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 820 Buy, this is quite new. July 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement although 2019 more likely
Garmin Edge 1000 Buy if you get a really good deal, this was overdue for replacement and very, very old for a current device (2014!) even when replaced in August 2017. This is cheap everywhere now, and still a good device but only a little cheaper than the Edge 1030.
Garmin Edge 1030 Finally arrived in August 2017. Likely replacement…2020! Although I can imagine a 2019 update so we’ll wait and see
Garmin Edge 1040 Keep calm and wait until 2020!

Polar Watches

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Polar RCX 5 Released Mar 2011 this watch is very out of date
Polar RCX3 Released Mar 2012 this watch is very out of date
Polar RC3 GPS Released Mar 2012 this watch is very out of date
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent. This watch is very, very old for a current watch (2014!). The M400 was just updated and that was launched near the v800. This watch is now so far behind the curve and so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar v800.next v850 LONG Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! This watch is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar M200 Buy, this was released Oct 2016 so we wouldn’t expect a replacement until late 2019 given the relatively slow update cycle at Polar
Polar m400 Finally updated. This is a very old watch for a current model (2014) but is very cheap and still works well.
Polar m430 Launched April 2017 and based on M400 so shouldn’t be buggy, a definite safe buy
Polar M600 Buy, this is new (Aug 2016) and was updated with new Androidwear in 2017 so definitely supported well

Polar Bike Computers

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Polar M450 Replaced with….identical hardware and a new firmware. Normally I’d say buy if cheap, but Polar abandoned this for no reason so buyer beware.
Polar M460 Launched April 2017 this is M450 hardware with new firmware. Given the treatment of M450 owners I’d say be careful buying this. Yup, Amber warning for a “brand new” device. That’s a first for me.
Polar v650 Wait, this is very old for a current model and overdue for replacement (Jan 2014). This device is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar v650.next Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! This device is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.

Suunto

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Suunto Ambit Don’t buy this is very old (2012)
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+, this is very old (2013)
Suunto Ambit 3 Don’t’ buy, this is very old (2014)
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Released Jun 2016. Suunto have created numerous models based on the same hardware (WAY too many to understand). There is likely a v2 in the works for this year to supercede the whole range.
Suunto Spartan Ultra 2 Hardware refresh due in 2018
Suunto Spartan Sport, HR, Baro Released after the Ultra but based on the same hardware. Suunto have created numerous models based on the same hardware (WAY too many to understand). There is likely a v2 in the works for this year to supercede the whole range.
Suunto Spartan Sport, HR, Baro V2 Hardware refresh due in 2018 these models will slowly be replaced
Suunto Spartan Trainer Seemingly based on different hardware than the Spartan series, this may have a different refresh cycle
Suunto Spartan Trainer 2 I don’t know why this model exists given the core spartan range and so don’t feel confident of a V2
Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?

TomTom

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
TomTom Multisport Launched April 2013, available July 2013 older watch probably best not to buy. Replaced by newer runner models
TomTom Multisport Cardio Launched April 2014, available April 2014 older watch probably best not to buy. Replaced by newer runner models
TomTom Runner Launched April 2013, available July 2013 older watch probably best not to buy. Superceded
TomTom Runner Cardio Launched April 2014, available April 2014 older watch probably best not to buy. Superceded
TomTom Spark (Runner 2) TomTom have formally announced they are exiting the US market DO NOT BUY
TomTom Spark 3/Runner 3 TomTom have formally announced they are exiting the US market DO NOT BUY

Wahoo

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Wahoo ELEMNT Launched September 2015 and available March 2016 it’s possible we’ll see a replacement in 2018 but looking at the way Wahoo commit to their products 2019 seems more likely. Also, Wahoo would be likely to support this after a new device arrives so less risky than other manufacturers. The amber rating is purely based on not wanting to buy just before a release of a replacement.
Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt Launched and available March 2017 this is a new device and earliest expected replacement would be 2019.
Wahoo ELEMNT Mini Launched and available August 2017 this is a new device and earliest expected replacement would be 2019.
Wahoo ELEMNT Rival https://fccid.io/PADWF119 shows this new device due by the end of May, possibly earlier. This will be Wahoo’s first GPS based fitness watch and is likely to be good if their other products are anything to go by. Launching in May 2018!
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New Garmin

The FCC Site has a new Garmin watch added. It’s definitely round and definitely has a black wrist band, Wifi, Bluetooth (transmit and receive) as well as touch screen.

So what could it be?
Fenix 5 Plus or Fenix 6
This would make sense as a Fenix 5 Ultra edition to add in touch screen. I’m not sure though, as there aren’t that many people asking for touch here. With the coming of maps and music to the range though, Garmin may do something different here.
Fenix Chronos 2
It’s possible Garmin have found a way to bring touch to a thin and good looking watch. This would cement the Chronos as a premium device where they try out new stuff. We’re expecting the Fenix 6 in January and so a Chronos about now would make sense from a timeline perspective.
Forerunner 645 Touch
It’s be weird to release a touch 645 so soon after the other one. Also weird not to use the 245 name if that was the plan. I’m going to stick my neck out and just say this is unlikely.
Forerunner 745XT
This watch has literally no purpose right now, so a touch version based on 945 hardware might make sense. But really, adding touch to the lower numbered device would just be confusing so they’re better off letting this die off.
A new high end Approach
The S60 showed that golf is big enough to justify custom hardware for Garmin. Golf is also traditionally a sport associated with wealth, and so it makes sense to offer something a bit more high end. Perhaps something adding in multi-sport but keeping to the “this is a golf watch” theme so keeping maps and touch.

It will be interesting to see the outcome here as right now it’s hard to tell. Garmin will have at least 45 days confidentiality on the external pictures once the device is authorised, so a potential June/July announcement makes this a strong contender for the Christmas market. To me, that suggests a Fenix something since we didn’t get a 5Plus this year and everyone will be expecting one in January so will hold off over the holidays if that’s what they want.

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Monthly Roundup – April 2018

Here’s the round-up of recommendations so everything is in one place, and so we have a nice record of speculations updated for April 2018

Exciting things this month are the imminent arrival of a Wahoo GPS watch and a new Garmin Edge 130 low end bike computer. Check this post through the month as more rumours may arrive which I’ll add in as they appear.

Garmin Watches
Garmin Bike Computers
Polar Watches
Polar Bike Computers
Suunto
TomTom
Wahoo

In alphabetical order of manufacturer.

Garmin

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Fenix Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Fenix 2 Don’t buy. This is pretty old and is quite dated from a technology standpoint. The new generation Garmin range really is a lot better.
Garmin Fenix 3 Fenix 3 HR, Quatix 3, D2 Bravo, Tactix Bravo This has been superseded. I’ve downgraded to red because updates and features are gradually disappearing. Let’s be clear though, this is still a very capable watch and I would have no problem buying and using one for the right price on the understanding that it is what it is and won’t get new features.
Garmin Fenix 5, 5s, 5X, Quatix 5, D2 Charlie, Tactix Charlie Released in January 2017 so this watch is not dated and will be very well supported throughout the next year (2018) at least. I’ve downgraded to amber purely because of speculation of a Fenix 5 Plus. Whether or not there is a “Plus”, there will be new Fenix models in 2018, including a Titanium one (Tactix Charlie released). This is unlikely to be a complete new device though, so much like when the Fenix 3 went to Fenix 3 HR there will be minor incremental changes.
Garmin Fenix 5 Plus Overdue, possibly we’ll go straight to Fenix 6 in January 2019 instead? I’d still not be surprised to see at least new colours this summer
Garmin Fenix Chronos Buy if you wear solid gold underpants. As with the Fenix 5 this may be replaced soon with minor changes, although as a premium model this may not be affected.
Garmin Forerunner 910XT Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Forerunner 920XT Has now been replaced, but this is a very capable and mature device (October 2014). If it’s cheap I’d certainly get one on the understanding that no new features will be coming.
Garmin Forerunner 935 Has arrived at last (March 2017) so is fresh and good to buy. Uses Fenix 5 firmware so pretty safe from bugs. no current rumours of a replacement, although a Fenix 5 plus equivalent may appear
Garmin Forerunner 25 This has been out a while (August 2015) and has been sorta replaced with the FR30. Still cheap and capable though
Garmin Forerunner 30 released September 2017
Garmin Forerunner 35 Buy – this is still fairly new (September 2016). September 2018 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 210 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Forerunner 220 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 230 Don’t Buy – this is still fairly new but is already on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement but optical HR rules the roost now so this probably won’t be replaced
Garmin Forerunner 225 Don’t buy. Garmin immediately replaced this with the 235 using their own sensor.
Garmin Forerunner 235 Wait. Garmin have released the 645 which kinda takes over this range.
Garmin Forerunner 245 Likely coming soon to launch alongside the Forerunner 645. Garmin have released the 645 which kinda takes over this range and didn’t include a 245 yet which may not even fit into the range given the lower cost of the 645
Garmin Forerunner 610 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Forerunner 620 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 630 Don’t Buy – this is still fairly new but is already on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin. The 645 is clearly the future here and is a much more capable device
Garmin Forerunner 645/645 Music Launched January 2018, earliest replacement likely January 2020
Garmin Forerunner 735XT Buy if very cheap – this is fairly new (May 2016). If it’s cheaper than the FR935 then great, otherwise definitely go for the FR935. May 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement but with the Forerunner 935 in the mix it may be dropped as it was an interim solution using FR235 hardware before F5 hardware was finalised.
Garmin Epix Don’t buy. This experimental watch led to the Fenix 5X but firmware updates have all but stopped on this device despite numerous bugs
Garmin Epix 2 Abandoned, the Epix has been replaced by Fenix 5X
Garmin Vivoactive Replaced by the Vivoactive HR and on the “previous models” (aka “dead to me”) page at Garmin.
Garmin Vivoactive HR Don’t buy unless you get a good deal. This is still quite new but has been superceded by the Vivoactive 3 which seems to add a lot of things including wrist based payment. Not quite ready for a red grade yet, this is still a great watch
Garmin Vivoactive 3 Buy, this is just released in August 2017 so August 2019 is the probable replacement.

Garmin Bike Computers

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Edge 20 While this is current, it’s due for replacement in 2018. It’s possible this replacement will be puched back though, as there’s very little to change on these devices
Garmin Edge 25 While this is current, it’s due for replacement in 2018. It’s possible this replacement will be puched back though, as there’s very little to change on these devices
Garmin Edge 200 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Edge 130 Due to be announced before 3/5/2018, already on the FCC Site
Garmin Edge 500 Don’t buy, this is very old (2009)
Garmin Edge 510 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 520 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around July 2018.
Garmin Edge 800 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Edge 810 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 820 Buy, this is quite new. July 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement although 2019 more likely
Garmin Edge 1000 Buy if you get a really good deal, this was overdue for replacement and very, very old for a current device (2014!) even when replaced in August 2017. This is cheap everywhere now, and still a good device but only a little cheaper than the Edge 1030.
Garmin Edge 1030 Finally arrived in August 2017. Likely replacement…2020! Although I can imagine a 2019 update so we’ll wait and see
Garmin Edge 1040 Keep calm and wait until 2020!

Polar Watches

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Polar RCX 5 Released Mar 2011 this watch is very out of date
Polar RCX3 Released Mar 2012 this watch is very out of date
Polar RC3 GPS Released Mar 2012 this watch is very out of date
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent. This watch is very, very old for a current watch (2014!). The M400 was just updated and that was launched near the v800. This watch is now so far behind the curve and so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar v800.next v850 LONG Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! This watch is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar M200 Buy, this was released Oct 2016 so we wouldn’t expect a replacement until late 2019 given the relatively slow update cycle at Polar
Polar m400 Finally updated. This is a very old watch for a current model (2014) but is very cheap and still works well.
Polar m430 Launched April 2017 and based on M400 so shouldn’t be buggy, a definite safe buy
Polar M600 Buy, this is new (Aug 2016) and was updated with new Androidwear in 2017 so definitely supported well

Polar Bike Computers

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Polar M450 Replaced with….identical hardware and a new firmware. Normally I’d say buy if cheap, but Polar abandoned this for no reason so buyer beware.
Polar M460 Launched April 2017 this is M450 hardware with new firmware. Given the treatment of M450 owners I’d say be careful buying this. Yup, Amber warning for a “brand new” device. That’s a first for me.
Polar v650 Wait, this is very old for a current model and overdue for replacement (Jan 2014). This device is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.
Polar v650.next Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! This device is now so long overdue for replacement that Polar might have decided to exit the premium end of the market.

Suunto

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Suunto Ambit Don’t buy this is very old (2012)
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+, this is very old (2013)
Suunto Ambit 3 Don’t’ buy, this is very old (2014)
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Buy, just released (Jun 2016). Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Sport, HR, Baro Buy, just released. Be aware there may be more models coming. Suunto is dripping out many, many models
Suunto Spartan Trainer Announcing shortly, just leaked. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?

TomTom

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
TomTom Multisport Launched April 2013, available July 2013 older watch probably best not to buy. Replaced by newer runner models
TomTom Multisport Cardio Launched April 2014, available April 2014 older watch probably best not to buy. Replaced by newer runner models
TomTom Runner Launched April 2013, available July 2013 older watch probably best not to buy. Superceded
TomTom Runner Cardio Launched April 2014, available April 2014 older watch probably best not to buy. Superceded
TomTom Spark (Runner 2) Launched September 2015, available October 2015 2 years old so buy if a good deal but has been superceded by Spark/Runner 3

TomTom have just announced they may exit this market so beware!

TomTom Spark 3/Runner 3 Launched September 2016, available September 2016 one year old so relatively safe, although TomTom seem to have a yearly cadence so expect announcement in September 2017

TomTom have just announced they may exit this market so beware!

Wahoo

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Wahoo ELEMNT Launched September 2015 and available March 2016 it’s possible we’ll see a replacement in 2018 but looking at the way Wahoo commit to their products 2019 seems more likely. Also, Wahoo would be likely to support this after a new device arrives so less risky than other manufacturers. The amber rating is purely based on not wanting to buy just before a release of a replacement.
Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt Launched and available March 2017 this is a new device and earliest expected replacement would be 2019.
Wahoo ELEMNT Mini Launched and available August 2017 this is a new device and earliest expected replacement would be 2019.
Wahoo ELEMNT Rival https://fccid.io/PADWF119 shows this new device due by the end of May, possibly earlier. This will be Wahoo’s first GPS based fitness watch and is likely to be good if their other products are anything to go by.
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