Forerunner 935 THIS WEEK!

Appelmoessite has a scan of Triathlon magazine with an advert for the Forerunner 935. This lines up with our expected release this week.
DCRainmaker very tactfully explains in his live webcast how embargos work and that sometimes it’s hard to line up print dates. In the case of magazines, adverts are placed months in advance and sometimes the magazine print date is a little early and the magazine goes to subscribers before the official date it goes on shelves at news stands. Obviously he didn’t confirm the 935, but it seems clear at this point the watch is real and will be released before the end of the month (aka next week).

If you’re looking at a Fenix 5, Forerunner 920XT or Forerunner 735XT it’s probably worth waiting one more week just to see.

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Forerunner 935

Note to self, check FCC before posting.

The Forerunner 935 will indeed be a round device (silly Garmin, now we have no nice square screens!). https://fccid.io/IPH-03191

This means that Appelmoessite probably does have real photos at elemnt-bolt-garmin-fr935-video after all. To me it looks identical to the FR235 so I’ve held off re-posting that particular rumour. I guess in future I ought to post everything I spot – this is a rumour site after all!

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Garmin Edge 1010

So, we all know this is WAY overdue. It must be coming soon.

What’s taking so long though, all they need do is slim it down and pump the CPU a bit?

Perhaps a camera will be added. It’s certainly trendy right now to add camera controls, and Garmin have the excelent Virb Ultra 30 so they certainly have the technology. At the very least there will be Virb controls in the computer.

Alternatively, as we’ve seen with the Fenix 5 Garmin may be adding Bluetooth sensor support. This will be a PITA for them since cycle sensors are all over the place in BTLE land and very difficult to support well. We’ve seen continuous issues on other BTLE cycle computers, and Garmin can’t get this wrong or users will say they are trying to destroy Bluetooth.

Or maybe they’ve just been napping? Comment below what you’d like to see in a new flagship (aka big) Edge device.

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Monthly Roundup – March 2017

Now a regular feature, here’s the round-up of recommendations so everything is in one place, and so we have a nice record of speculations updated for February 2017…

OK, so I dropped the ball in January with this one, and February is late. I’m sorry! To be fair, with all the CES kerfuffle it was worth skipping one anyway, and now we’ve had to rethink what’s on the way and when.

In alphabetical order of manufacturer.

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Fenix Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Fenix 2 Don’t buy – Fenix 3 is now cheap and Fenix 4 is due imminently
Garmin Fenix 3 Fenix 3 HR, Quatix 3, D2 Bravo, Tactix Bravo This has finally been superceded. Don’t panic though, the Fenix 5 adds very little, so if the Fenix 3 is cheap it’s a great watch to buy. Updates will stop within the next year though probably, but there isn’t a lot they need to add to this stable and mature watch.
Garmin Fenix 5 Brand new, although pricey. This looks to be an updated Fenix 3 firmware so the usual “don’t buy Garmin until 6 months in” shouldn’t apply in theory, as most of the code is already tried and tested.
Garmin Fenix Chronos Brand New, buy if you wear solid gold underpants. This has been replaced by a Fenix 5 so it’s not without risk, especially given the cost. Garmin have confused the market here and nobody knows the future of the Chronos. In theory it’s a 5 underneath so safe, but I wouldn’t put my money on it at that price.
Garmin Forerunner 910XT Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Forerunner 920XT Replacement imminent but this is a very capable and mature device
Garmin Forerunner 930XT/935XT Imminent. Yes, still imminent despite CES coming and going!
Garmin Forerunner 25 This has been out a while but nothing obvious seems planned in the near future. August 2017 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 35 Buy – this is still fairly new. September 2018 would be the soonest we’d expect a replacement.
Garmin Forerunner 210 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Forerunner 220 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 230 Buy – this is still fairly new. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement
Garmin Forerunner 225 Don’t buy. Garmin immediately replaced this with the 235 using their own sensor.
Garmin Forerunner 235 Buy – this is still fairly new. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement
Garmin Forerunner 610 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Forerunner 620 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Forerunner 630 Buy – this is still fairly new. October 2017 is the soonest we’d expect replacement
Garmin Forerunner 735XT Buy – this is brand new and seems to be running Fenix code so hopefully isn’t buggy. May 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement.
Garmin Epix Don’t buy. This experimental watch led to the Fenix 5X but firmware updates have all but stopped on this device despite numerous bugs
Garmin Epix 2 Abandoned, the Epix has been replaced by Fenix 5X
Garmin Vivoactive Already replaced by the Vivoactive HR. Still a very good device if you find it cheap, this Jan 2015 watch is still modern and capable
Garmin Vivoactive HR Buy, this is still quite new. February 2018 is the soonest we’d expect a replacement
Garmin Edge 20 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around June 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge30 is more likely to be 2018
Garmin Edge 25 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around June 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge35 is more likely to be 2018
Garmin Edge 200 Don’t buy, this is very old (2011)
Garmin Edge 500 Don’t buy, this is very old (2009)
Garmin Edge 510 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 520 Buy, this is current, although may be replaced around July 2017. Given that we’re still waiting on the Edge 1010 the Edge530 is more likely to be 2018
Garmin Edge 800 Don’t buy, this is very old (2010)
Garmin Edge 810 Don’t buy, this is very old (2013)
Garmin Edge 820 Buy, just released. July 2018 is the earliest we’d expect replacement although 2019 more likely
Garmin Edge 1000 Buy if you get a good deal, this is overdue for replacement and very, very old for a current device (2014!). Expect the replacement sometime this summer
Garmin Edge 1010 Coming soon…Sea Otter? I don’t even know any more. It’ll have to be this year though.
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent. This watch is very, very old for a current watch (2014!)
Polar v800.next Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! H7i Sensor has been leaked which is likely to be packaged with this watch
Polar M200 Buy, this is just released (Oct 2016)
Polar m400 Wait – update is probably imminent. This is a very old watch for a current model (2014)
Polar m400.next Possibly replaced by M600 so may not be updated. This also may be replaced by an M200 to differentiate with M600
Polar M600 Buy, this is brand new (Aug 2016)
Polar M450 Buy, polar seem to be on a three year cycle for these so June 2018 is when we expect replacement (released Jun 2015)
Polar v650 Wait, this is very old for a current model and overdue for replacement (Jan 2014)
Polar v650.next overdue for replacement, expected summer 2017
Suunto Ambit Don’t buy this is very old (2012)
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+, this is very old (2013)
Suunto Ambit 3 Don’t’ buy, this is very old (2014)
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Buy, just released (Jun 2016). Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Sport Buy, just released. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Trainer Announcing shortly, just leaked. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?
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Forerunner 935XT

SO I’ve been quite quiet on the subject of 935XT despite various rumours on the net (well appelmoessite.wordpress.com at least).

I’m not saying I don’t believe the rumour. I’m torn. It’s just that it looks exactly like the other available Garmin watches and nothing like a 920XT. Too easy to fake and too little evidence that the 920XT team want to give up their long standing square screen model with front buttons (just like an Edge computer) for something exactly like every other watch they make.

Why would they? Who would be the market for a round watch that’s between the 735 and the Fenix 5? I’d buy another square one to complement my Fenix 5 just like I have the Fenix 3 and 920 combo but let’s face it they would be better off dropping the 9xx range than making a shiny 735.

I’m probably wrong, but that doesn’t make Garmin right for releasing it!

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Monthly Roundup – February 2017

Now a regular feature, here’s the round-up of recommendations so everything is in one place, and so we have a nice record of speculations updated for February 2017…

OK, so I dropped the ball in January with this one, and February is late. I’m sorry! To be fair, with all the CES kerfuffle it was worth skipping one anyway, and now we’ve had to rethink what’s on the way and when.

In alphabetical order of manufacturer.

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Fenix Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Fenix 2 Don’t buy – Fenix 3 is now cheap and Fenix 4 is due imminently
Garmin Fenix 3 Fenix 3 HR, Quatix 3, D2 Bravo, Tactix Bravo This has finally been superceded. Don’t panic though, the Fenix 5 adds very little, so if the Fenix 3 is cheap it’s a great watch to buy. Updates will stop within the next year though, but there isn’t a lot they need to add to this stable and mature watch.
Garmin Fenix 5 Brand new, although pricey. This looks to be the Fenix 3 firmware so the usual “don’t buy Garmin until 6 months in” shouldn’t apply in theory!
Garmin Fenix Chronos Brand New, buy if you wear solid gold underpants. This has been replaced by a Fenix 5 so it’s not without risk, especially given the cost. Garmin have confused the market here and nobody knows the future of the Chronos. In theory it’s a 5 underneath so safe, but I wouldn’t put my money on it at that price.
Garmin Forerunner 910XT Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Forerunner 920XT Replacement imminent but this is a very capable and mature device
Garmin Forerunner 930XT/935XT Imminent. Yes, still imminent despite CES coming and going!
Garmin Forerunner 25 This has been out a while but nothing obvious seems planned in the near future.
Garmin Forerunner 35 Buy – this is still fairly new
Garmin Forerunner 230 Buy – this is still fairly new
Garmin Forerunner 225 Don’t buy. Garmin immediately replaced this with the 235 using their own sensor.
Garmin Forerunner 235 Buy – this is still fairly new
Garmin Forerunner 630 Buy – this is still fairly new
Garmin Forerunner 735XT Buy – this is brand new and seems to be running Fenix code so hopefully isn’t buggy
Garmin Epix Buy if you really, really need it – this probably won’t be updated until winter. It does appear abandoned by Garmin though with no new firmware for a very long time
Garmin Epix 2 Probably abandoned, the Epix has had no firmware updates for a very long time. Expect maps in the Fenix 4 instead
Garmin Edge 510 Don’t buy, this is very old
Garmin Edge 520 Buy, this is very new
Garmin Edge 810 Buy if very cheap, but it will feel dated fairly soon compared to the new lineup
Garmin Edge 820 Buy, just released
Garmin Edge 1000 Buy if you get a good deal, this is overdue for replacement
Garmin Edge 1010 Coming soon…Sea Otter? I don’t even know any more. It’ll have to be this year though.
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent
Polar v800.next Overdue, expected announcement at…who knows! H7i Sensor has been leaked which is likely to be packaged with this watch
Polar M200 Buy, this is just released
Polar m400 Wait – update is probably imminent
Polar m400.next Possibly replaced by M600 so may not be updated. This also may be replaced by an M200 to differentiate with M600
Polar M600 Buy, this is brand new
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+
Suunto Ambit 3 Replaced by Spartan Ultra – buy if you get a good deal and are not bothered by being a generation behind
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Buy, just released. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Sport Buy, just released. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Trainer Announcing shortly, just leaked. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?
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CES 2017

OK folks, CES announcements start tomorrow. We’re expecting several announcements, including the much anticipated Fenix 4/Fenix 5 – The Fenix 3 was permanently discounted recently so this one would seem very likely indeed. Suunto will hopefully reveal the Spartan Trainer (and hopefully finish the Spartan Ultra, no rush Suunto!!). Polar should announce something to replace the v800 but rumour has it they won’t be ready for a few months. I’d still like to see them announce though, just so we know where to stand in terms of plans for devices this summer.
For bikes, I would expect a new Edge 1000 (Edge 1010 probably, or Edge 1020 to match the Edge 520 and Edge 820). This is overdue and the current device looks dated compared to the newer siblings so anyone wanting a larger screen has to either invest in an older device at the end of its lifecycle, or wait and hope. Polar may announce a replacement for the v650 too, but I won’t hold my breath there – they don’t seem to have really embraced the off-wrist device category.

I’m also hoping to see some more truly competetive stuff from other companies. Bike computers especially are starting to heat up with new entrants to the market and a customer base itching to get out from the Garmin fingers crossed style of firmware updates. On the wrist, there is already plenty of choice from the likes of TomTom, Apple, Samsung and others but for sports nobody currenty competes with Fenix 3 as an overall package. It has just enough smart watch and oodles of sport. The competition is doing less well because they have oodles of (pointless?) smartwatch and just enough sport. Time will tell. Long term I think Apple and Samsung will take the industry and destroy everything we love about current gen sport watches – they did it with phones and any early 2000’s phone power user will tell you there’s a whole lot still missing from current gen smartphones. Call quality for one!

So, use the comment section below to say what you’d like to see, or are expecting to see this year at the worlds biggest gadget-fest. Needless to say this site won’t be reporting – once they get announced they are no longer rumours! DCRainmaker.com is in attendance and usually offers a good skeptical view of what gets announced. There will also be a thousand sites out there which copy and paste marketing blurb. We call those “clickbait” 🙂

p.s. appologies for the mess of a site/menu at the moment as I try to bend this CMs to my will. I know what I want and am starting to think coding my own CMS may be the best option!

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Galileo Goes Live

The Galileo satelite system has finally gone live after 17 years. This service is the European funded version of the US owned GPS service and has a stated accuracy of 1m for most, and 1cm for paying customers. While there are currently only 18 satelites in the service, this number is expected to rise to up to 30 in the near future. All cars sold in Europe from 2018 will have to include a Galileo capable chip for the European eCall system.

What this means for gadget fans, of course, is that all of the devices we’re expecting at CES will likely include new chips that support Galileo. Whether that will translate to better accuracy or not we’ll have to wait and see. Most of the accuracy issues on current watches are not down to GPS accuracy but rather antenna and chipset issues and tradeoffs – battery being the biggest one.

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Monthly Roundup – December 2016

Now a regular feature, here’s the round-up of recommendations so everything is in one place, and so we have a nice record of speculations updated for December 2016…

Not a lot has changed this month, we’re still expecting various new devices in January at CES so check here before buying Xmas gifts if you’re worried about buying at the end of a product lifecycle.

In alphabetical order of manufacturer.

Manufacturer Device Current Speculation
Garmin Fenix Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Fenix 2 Don’t buy – Fenix 3 is now cheap and Fenix 4 is due imminently
Garmin Fenix 3 Fenix 3 HR, Quatix 3, D2 Bravo, Tactix Bravo Kind of tricky. The Fenix Chronos has sort of replaced this, but we still expect a Fenix 4. Good device so don’t hold off but it will almost certainly be superceded in January 2017
Garmin Fenix 4/HR/Fenix 5 Kind of arrived as the Chronos. Expect cheaper models at CES 2017
Garmin Fenix Chronos Brand New, buy if you wear solid gold underpants. This might/might not be replaced by a Fenix 4 so it’s not without risk, especially given the cost. Garmin have confused the market here so only have themselves to blame if people wait for a “real” Fenix 4
Garmin Forerunner 910XT Don’t buy – this is very old
Garmin Forerunner 920XT Replacement imminent but this is a very capable and mature device
Garmin Forerunner 930XT/935XT Imminent
Garmin Forerunner 25 This has been out a while but nothing obvious seems planned in the near future.
Garmin Forerunner 35 Buy – this is still fairly new
Garmin Forerunner 230 Buy – this is still fairly new
Garmin Forerunner 225 Don’t buy. Garmin immediately replaced this with the 235 using their own sensor.
Garmin Forerunner 235 Buy – this is still fairly new
Garmin Forerunner 630 Buy – this is still fairly new
Garmin Forerunner 735XT Buy – this is brand new and seems to be running Fenix code so hopefully isn’t buggy
Garmin Epix Buy if you really, really need it – this probably won’t be updated until winter. It does appear abandoned by Garmin though with no new firmware for a very long time
Garmin Epix 2 Probably abandoned, the Epix has had no firmware updates for a very long time. Expect maps in the Fenix 4 instead
Garmin Edge 510 Don’t buy, this is very old
Garmin Edge 520 Buy, this is very new
Garmin Edge 810 Buy if very cheap, but it will feel dated fairly soon compared to the new lineup
Garmin Edge 820 Buy, just released
Garmin Edge 1000 Buy if you get a good deal, this is overdue for replacement
Garmin Edge 1010 Coming soon CES in January 2017
Polar v800 Wait – update is probably imminent
Polar v800.next Overdue, expected announcement at CES in January. H7i Sensor has been leaked which is likely to be packaged with this watch
Polar M200 Buy, this is just released
Polar m400 Wait – update is probably imminent
Polar m400.next Possibly replaced by M600 so may not be updated. This also may be replaced by an M200 to differentiate with M600
Polar M600 Buy, this is brand new
Suunto Ambit 2 Don’t buy unless you need Ant+
Suunto Ambit 3 Replaced by Spartan Ultra – buy if you get a good deal and are not bothered by being a generation behind
Suunto Ambit 4 Officially not going to happen, Spartan Series has replaced Ambit
Suunto Spartan Ultra Buy, just released. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Sport Buy, just released. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Spartan Trainer Announcing shortly, just leaked. Be aware there may be more models coming
Suunto Kailash Buy if you can work out what it’s for or who it’s aimed at
Suunto Traverse Why Suunto, WHY!?
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Polar something coming?

I’m partially guessing but Polar appear to have hosted some press in Madeira this week judging by their feeds, and some comments from well known bloggers. I can’t see anything in the FCC or trademarks, or even any rumours yet.

If said event took place, it certainly included cycling, so it would seem either the long overdue v800 replacement (v900, v950, v1000 take your pick!) or a v650 replacement which is less overdue. Either way, we’re too close to xmas for a sensible announcement so CES 2017 could be the date to wait for.

If anyone has any info let me know in the comments or on Twitter.

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